When a pollster has 1600 responses, there’s a margin of error of around 2%. So, that figure of 33% could actually be 31% or 35%. Polls are never accurate predictors of election results, but they provide information to let us know what the electorate thinks.
All polls have One Nation between 24% to 31%, all with that margin of error, all ask their questions in different ways to get what they think is a more accurate response. I don’t doubt the polling numbers, but it’s always going to be a question of what it means, as well as the low value information of preferred prime minister, which usually means SFA. But it means something.
Also, there’s no election for another two years. That’s a separate issue to how the mainstream media is trying to spin this to One Nation’s favour, which is what they’ve been doing for 30 years.
Perhaps it would be more to the point to debunk from the outset the absurdity of a poll for the preferred PM including a party with almost no elected reps and Pauline herself a Senator who cannot literally win the right to be PM.
So what kind of bogus poll is that to begin with?
The polls alone are absurd propaganda. Everything downstream is idiocy.
Hanson is the current front for the divisive tactics of western Empire, she is backed by massive American money and their local equivalents including Gina and Newscorpse.
To me the logical conclusion from all this funded hype for her as a politician with no current path to be PM, is that a fraudulent election of some kind is on the cards. How else could she become PM.
Because i don't believe for a moment there are any more actual supporters of ON than there have ever been.
but there are disappointed Liberal supporters who would rather swallow a red headed razor blade than vote for Labor.
This is the swing that will make it possible for ON to join with the libs and make a government.
Isn't it curious that the Liberal Party never did and never will have a hope of being in government unless its in a coalition.
So all this hoo ha about ON is nothing more than the usual variable 50/50 split in the sentiment so the Aussie public. And i agree with you that Albanese acting so coy with such a massive election win is very dumb. Or more likely just the usual playbook of the Uniparty musical chairs game.
I really hope Labor can prove us wrong. I vote Greens but i have an irrational soft spot for the labor party that "could". Like the little Red Engine.
Of course it’s absurd two years out from an election, and our feeling is that it’s a replay of Bronwyn Bishop from the 1990s, with even less chance of it happening.
Our point is that even if these polls are inaccurate (and they would be) and don’t mean anything (and they really don’t), people are asked the question and one in three people respond by suggesting Pauline Hanson as prime minister.
In my view all the major parties in Liberal Democracies have been captured by donors and lobbyists and government for the 1%, even the supposedly Left of centre parties such as Labor.
Well said , in every detail . The mirror of this situation is the government’s loss of the Voice Referendum. Racism stood out as a major failing of too many ill-informed voters , which Albanese and his government lacked the spine and the necessary visionary
leadership to combat . Spineless to the core , Albanese does not deserve to be Prime Minister at this time . His only
reactions to urgent leadership issues are “turn the temperature down”. As a piece of hollow , insipid rhetoric it’s almost impossible to beat.
Remember too, that not only must we all not say phrases that include rivers and seas and physical positions (unlucky geography scientists) but we must cohere socially.
I can only disagree. By any careful examination of principles of democracy, justice and our constitution the Voice was racist, elitist, supremacist, undemocratic and unconstitutional and most Australians could see that.
We may not practice it enough but Australians believe in a fair go and Jack is as good as his Master.
The Voice sought to elevate a tiny group of Australians with aboriginal ancestry, in the case of most so little it should not even count because they are more anglo-european than anything aboriginal, above all others.
The NO vote was a vote against racism. The Constitution is there to represent every Australian equally and to single out one group for special treatment betrays the rest. No group should be mentioned in the Constitution because the only group which can ever matter is - AUSTRALIANS. Ancestry, religion and all the rest are and should be constitutionally irrelevant.
The Voice would have given around 3% of Australians greater rights constitutionally and a louder voice in the name of racism. It was an appalling proposal and deserved to be utterly defeated as it was.
Think about it. Most Australians with aboriginal ancestry are doing fine with the same lives and outcomes as anyone else. This group is over-represented in State and Federal Parliaments at 12% and they of course have nothing in common with the very small group, less than 1% who are struggling in dysfunctional aboriginal communities despite billions poured into trying to solve their problems. Their problems will NEVER be solved until they do what the others have done and assimilate into the modern world with every single aboriginal community closed down permanently.
No Voice would ever achieve that because the power of that Voice would ensure that these Australians with aboriginal ancestry had to continue to suffer to justify such an electoral and political voice.
Racism, even when seen as positive, never solves anything.
It was a disgusting proposal and yes, I know many who supported it meant well, but spend time in the horrors of aboriginal communities and then alongside the vast majority who assimilated generations ago to understand that those with aboriginal ancestry who struggle already have too much voice and far too much money and it has solved nothing. And also take note that the tribalistic/clan nature of aboriginal societies means the wealth and power will be creamed off by the rich and powerful and the rest are left to wallow in their suffering.
What you don’t understand about Aboriginal people, their reality and society could fill a warehouse- there are real racist colonial underpinnings to your “arguments”
I’ve spent time in aboriginal communities and the only horror I noted was emanating from the ongoing injustice, exclusion, dispossession and very real racist barriers still perpetuated over 200 years in -
We now have a Zionist voice to parliament firmly embedded in government representing .45% ( as in less than 1% ) of the population making sweeping changes to our education curriculum among other privileged power moves - moves made on behalf of an extremely advantaged and resourced community- if you are worried about cohorts usurping power unfairly- why don’t you focus on that instead of trying to re- litigate a plebiscite that was lost ?
I detect a nastiness in your position- a need to punch down and punish Aboriginal people for having the gall to ask for a seat at the table - perhaps you should ask yourself some hard questions - & speak on what you know
I agree with every word you say . The contrast between the support given to First Australians , and the “how much more can we do for you ever-so-well-off “ but feeling uncomfortable , tiny fraction of the community ? is stark , and unforgivable . It has nothing to do with racism , except in the minds of those racist people who voted it down .
In a Westminster democracy there are no Firsts and Seconds, only Australians. To allocate rank of First to a tiny group because they have or say they have some aboriginal ancestry is racism.
Those who identify with their aboriginal ancestry, including those who ignore their 99% anglo european ancestry have exactly the same rights as other Australians and far more benefits.
The tiny few suffering in aboriginal communities receive billions in support, most of which is stolen by their leaders.
Make a case as to how a louder and more powerful voice for 3% of the population, based on some of their ancestry is democratic or constitutional? I know you cannot. Flinging the word racist around does not make a case.
The Voice was a total betrayal of all Australians, our democracy and our Constitution and a lot of those with Aboriginal ancestry voted NO as well.
What you do not understand is there is no Aboriginal people and no shared reality or society.
There is nothing racist or colonial about facts and I deal in facts.
in 1788 there were between 300 and 500 different groups, many no more than family clans, without a common language and generally at war with each other.
They were not united and the fact the British called them first Indians, then Natives and finally Aborigines did not unite them either.
The vast majority are fully assimilated into the modern world and with more than two centuries of high rates of intermarriage, minimally aboriginal in ancestry. The few who are fully aboriginal or half mostly remain in aboriginal communities which are VIOLENTLY TORN APART because they have not assimilated into the modern world and remain divided by tribal, clan and familial loyalties.
THERE WAS NO UNITY AND THERE IS NO UNITY EXCEPT AS AUSTRALIANS.
I have also spent time in Aboriginal communities and think those who support them and want to preserve them are criminal sadists. Neglected children roaming the streets at nights, including toddlers; adults who are highly dysfunctional and do not care; schools wrapped in razor wire to protect teachers; corruption in those running such places and a sick idea that preventing children from getting an education, becoming fluent in their language, English, and assimilating into the modern world is a good thing.
I am totally opposed to the Zionist takeover of our Government and politics but even that is more easily fixed than if we had destroyed our democracy and Constitution by giving greater rights to 3% of Australians based on the deranged idea that they are more Australian because their ancestors lasted as stone age nomadic hunter gatherers longer than anyone.
You detect your own motivations. I want to punch down only the self serving, ego tripping, deranged, ignorant do-gooders who are prepared to sacrifice children in the name of some fantasy of aboriginality.
All humans were once stone-age. All grew beyond it. There is nothing special about aborigines remaining stone-age longer than most. They did so because they violently abused their women and used them as slaves and it is women who generally push societies toward evolution and because they killed their babies at massively high rates, infanticide, to prevent food resources being stretched which would also have pushed them to evolve beyond stone-age.
Thanks to the literate Europeans we have millions of words documenting their lives, beliefs, myths and stories, and their suffering, particularly females.
Thanks to the British arriving those with aboriginal ancestry have at last, a common language, a modern nation and a country which ranks as one of the best in the world to live.
If the British had not arrived someone else would have colonised. Chinese, Indonesians, French, Spanish, Polynesians, it was inevitable.
The only mistake we have made is listening to the do-gooders who want to pin what they call aborigines to a board, like moths in these ghastly, dysfunctional and totally artificial aboriginal communities. There is no-one alive today who knows, understands or lives the sort of lives aboriginal peoples lived before the British arrived. We are ten generations on and most have intermarried for generations and are in mixed marriages today.
The history of aboriginal peoples has been written down and forms an important part of our Australian history but no more important than the later migrants who built this modern nation.
Everyone has been a migrant to this country, including those we called aborigines, they just arrived in earlier and more violent waves. Do some real research and use facts not fantasy.
Albanese and his inner Labor cabal have blown the opportunity for great things that he may have been remembered for (ie not the length of his term in power). I fear his and Labor's responses to the sudden upsurge and media attention to PHON will gain PHON more support rather than less and Australia will likely have a nutjob government at the next election.
I don;'t think that this anti-establishment movement will go away. Based on my following events in UK since Brexit, USA since Trump 1.0 and Europe (France, German, Dutch right wing) this anti-establishment movement is slow burn until the opportune moment arises (that's now in Australia) then the battle is more public and the hearts and minds of the aggrieved can be won backed by the gazillionairess and other fascists.
What should not be overlooked is that One Nation is now also a tool of the Zionists and they will be fuelling money in to push its prominence and perhaps to ensure that outcomes show it doing better than it really is.
The Zionist plan is always division and that is why exaggerating and utilising prejudice in the One Nation system meets their ends.
The Ziojewraelis have the Liberals, quite a few of the Nationals and some of Labor but their weapon to divide Australia politically and socially is One Nation.
Can we stop with spewing out the Murdoch media BS. The latest poll was less than 1600 people responding. 33% (approximately 550 people) supported ON and the other % was undecided. With a population of 27 million people, 18+ million registered to vote - we need to be more factual about this narrative the billionaire media slime are trying to spin… are they gaining momentum, sure SLOWLY and not in the “surge” of thousands of people.
It is literally just another media propaganda machine trying to make ON cool. They never will be in government.
What One Nation is really selling to Australians is
“Support us, and we’ll legitimise your prejudice. We’ll give you an economic-sounding excuse for your bigotry- you won’t have to hold it in anymore 👍🏽.”
In reality, it’s a paper‑thin veneer.
Ten minutes on their website shows there’s virtually no serious economic policy behind the slogans.
But nobody is bothered about the website, not when you’re too broke to go to Bali this year and there are “uppity / dangerous / greedy foreigners” everywhere the details don’t matter. Anger & resentment rules and Hanson is offering to turn that anger into power
This is the Australian trump moment we are on a boringly obvious trajectory
When a pollster has 1600 responses, there’s a margin of error of around 2%. So, that figure of 33% could actually be 31% or 35%. Polls are never accurate predictors of election results, but they provide information to let us know what the electorate thinks.
All polls have One Nation between 24% to 31%, all with that margin of error, all ask their questions in different ways to get what they think is a more accurate response. I don’t doubt the polling numbers, but it’s always going to be a question of what it means, as well as the low value information of preferred prime minister, which usually means SFA. But it means something.
Also, there’s no election for another two years. That’s a separate issue to how the mainstream media is trying to spin this to One Nation’s favour, which is what they’ve been doing for 30 years.
Perhaps it would be more to the point to debunk from the outset the absurdity of a poll for the preferred PM including a party with almost no elected reps and Pauline herself a Senator who cannot literally win the right to be PM.
So what kind of bogus poll is that to begin with?
The polls alone are absurd propaganda. Everything downstream is idiocy.
Hanson is the current front for the divisive tactics of western Empire, she is backed by massive American money and their local equivalents including Gina and Newscorpse.
To me the logical conclusion from all this funded hype for her as a politician with no current path to be PM, is that a fraudulent election of some kind is on the cards. How else could she become PM.
Because i don't believe for a moment there are any more actual supporters of ON than there have ever been.
but there are disappointed Liberal supporters who would rather swallow a red headed razor blade than vote for Labor.
This is the swing that will make it possible for ON to join with the libs and make a government.
Isn't it curious that the Liberal Party never did and never will have a hope of being in government unless its in a coalition.
So all this hoo ha about ON is nothing more than the usual variable 50/50 split in the sentiment so the Aussie public. And i agree with you that Albanese acting so coy with such a massive election win is very dumb. Or more likely just the usual playbook of the Uniparty musical chairs game.
I really hope Labor can prove us wrong. I vote Greens but i have an irrational soft spot for the labor party that "could". Like the little Red Engine.
Of course it’s absurd two years out from an election, and our feeling is that it’s a replay of Bronwyn Bishop from the 1990s, with even less chance of it happening.
Our point is that even if these polls are inaccurate (and they would be) and don’t mean anything (and they really don’t), people are asked the question and one in three people respond by suggesting Pauline Hanson as prime minister.
In my view all the major parties in Liberal Democracies have been captured by donors and lobbyists and government for the 1%, even the supposedly Left of centre parties such as Labor.
Well said , in every detail . The mirror of this situation is the government’s loss of the Voice Referendum. Racism stood out as a major failing of too many ill-informed voters , which Albanese and his government lacked the spine and the necessary visionary
leadership to combat . Spineless to the core , Albanese does not deserve to be Prime Minister at this time . His only
reactions to urgent leadership issues are “turn the temperature down”. As a piece of hollow , insipid rhetoric it’s almost impossible to beat.
Remember too, that not only must we all not say phrases that include rivers and seas and physical positions (unlucky geography scientists) but we must cohere socially.
I can only disagree. By any careful examination of principles of democracy, justice and our constitution the Voice was racist, elitist, supremacist, undemocratic and unconstitutional and most Australians could see that.
We may not practice it enough but Australians believe in a fair go and Jack is as good as his Master.
The Voice sought to elevate a tiny group of Australians with aboriginal ancestry, in the case of most so little it should not even count because they are more anglo-european than anything aboriginal, above all others.
The NO vote was a vote against racism. The Constitution is there to represent every Australian equally and to single out one group for special treatment betrays the rest. No group should be mentioned in the Constitution because the only group which can ever matter is - AUSTRALIANS. Ancestry, religion and all the rest are and should be constitutionally irrelevant.
The Voice would have given around 3% of Australians greater rights constitutionally and a louder voice in the name of racism. It was an appalling proposal and deserved to be utterly defeated as it was.
Think about it. Most Australians with aboriginal ancestry are doing fine with the same lives and outcomes as anyone else. This group is over-represented in State and Federal Parliaments at 12% and they of course have nothing in common with the very small group, less than 1% who are struggling in dysfunctional aboriginal communities despite billions poured into trying to solve their problems. Their problems will NEVER be solved until they do what the others have done and assimilate into the modern world with every single aboriginal community closed down permanently.
No Voice would ever achieve that because the power of that Voice would ensure that these Australians with aboriginal ancestry had to continue to suffer to justify such an electoral and political voice.
Racism, even when seen as positive, never solves anything.
It was a disgusting proposal and yes, I know many who supported it meant well, but spend time in the horrors of aboriginal communities and then alongside the vast majority who assimilated generations ago to understand that those with aboriginal ancestry who struggle already have too much voice and far too much money and it has solved nothing. And also take note that the tribalistic/clan nature of aboriginal societies means the wealth and power will be creamed off by the rich and powerful and the rest are left to wallow in their suffering.
What you don’t understand about Aboriginal people, their reality and society could fill a warehouse- there are real racist colonial underpinnings to your “arguments”
I’ve spent time in aboriginal communities and the only horror I noted was emanating from the ongoing injustice, exclusion, dispossession and very real racist barriers still perpetuated over 200 years in -
We now have a Zionist voice to parliament firmly embedded in government representing .45% ( as in less than 1% ) of the population making sweeping changes to our education curriculum among other privileged power moves - moves made on behalf of an extremely advantaged and resourced community- if you are worried about cohorts usurping power unfairly- why don’t you focus on that instead of trying to re- litigate a plebiscite that was lost ?
I detect a nastiness in your position- a need to punch down and punish Aboriginal people for having the gall to ask for a seat at the table - perhaps you should ask yourself some hard questions - & speak on what you know
I agree with every word you say . The contrast between the support given to First Australians , and the “how much more can we do for you ever-so-well-off “ but feeling uncomfortable , tiny fraction of the community ? is stark , and unforgivable . It has nothing to do with racism , except in the minds of those racist people who voted it down .
In a Westminster democracy there are no Firsts and Seconds, only Australians. To allocate rank of First to a tiny group because they have or say they have some aboriginal ancestry is racism.
Those who identify with their aboriginal ancestry, including those who ignore their 99% anglo european ancestry have exactly the same rights as other Australians and far more benefits.
The tiny few suffering in aboriginal communities receive billions in support, most of which is stolen by their leaders.
Make a case as to how a louder and more powerful voice for 3% of the population, based on some of their ancestry is democratic or constitutional? I know you cannot. Flinging the word racist around does not make a case.
The Voice was a total betrayal of all Australians, our democracy and our Constitution and a lot of those with Aboriginal ancestry voted NO as well.
What you do not understand is there is no Aboriginal people and no shared reality or society.
There is nothing racist or colonial about facts and I deal in facts.
in 1788 there were between 300 and 500 different groups, many no more than family clans, without a common language and generally at war with each other.
They were not united and the fact the British called them first Indians, then Natives and finally Aborigines did not unite them either.
The vast majority are fully assimilated into the modern world and with more than two centuries of high rates of intermarriage, minimally aboriginal in ancestry. The few who are fully aboriginal or half mostly remain in aboriginal communities which are VIOLENTLY TORN APART because they have not assimilated into the modern world and remain divided by tribal, clan and familial loyalties.
THERE WAS NO UNITY AND THERE IS NO UNITY EXCEPT AS AUSTRALIANS.
I have also spent time in Aboriginal communities and think those who support them and want to preserve them are criminal sadists. Neglected children roaming the streets at nights, including toddlers; adults who are highly dysfunctional and do not care; schools wrapped in razor wire to protect teachers; corruption in those running such places and a sick idea that preventing children from getting an education, becoming fluent in their language, English, and assimilating into the modern world is a good thing.
I am totally opposed to the Zionist takeover of our Government and politics but even that is more easily fixed than if we had destroyed our democracy and Constitution by giving greater rights to 3% of Australians based on the deranged idea that they are more Australian because their ancestors lasted as stone age nomadic hunter gatherers longer than anyone.
You detect your own motivations. I want to punch down only the self serving, ego tripping, deranged, ignorant do-gooders who are prepared to sacrifice children in the name of some fantasy of aboriginality.
All humans were once stone-age. All grew beyond it. There is nothing special about aborigines remaining stone-age longer than most. They did so because they violently abused their women and used them as slaves and it is women who generally push societies toward evolution and because they killed their babies at massively high rates, infanticide, to prevent food resources being stretched which would also have pushed them to evolve beyond stone-age.
Thanks to the literate Europeans we have millions of words documenting their lives, beliefs, myths and stories, and their suffering, particularly females.
Thanks to the British arriving those with aboriginal ancestry have at last, a common language, a modern nation and a country which ranks as one of the best in the world to live.
If the British had not arrived someone else would have colonised. Chinese, Indonesians, French, Spanish, Polynesians, it was inevitable.
The only mistake we have made is listening to the do-gooders who want to pin what they call aborigines to a board, like moths in these ghastly, dysfunctional and totally artificial aboriginal communities. There is no-one alive today who knows, understands or lives the sort of lives aboriginal peoples lived before the British arrived. We are ten generations on and most have intermarried for generations and are in mixed marriages today.
The history of aboriginal peoples has been written down and forms an important part of our Australian history but no more important than the later migrants who built this modern nation.
Everyone has been a migrant to this country, including those we called aborigines, they just arrived in earlier and more violent waves. Do some real research and use facts not fantasy.
Albanese and his inner Labor cabal have blown the opportunity for great things that he may have been remembered for (ie not the length of his term in power). I fear his and Labor's responses to the sudden upsurge and media attention to PHON will gain PHON more support rather than less and Australia will likely have a nutjob government at the next election.
I don;'t think that this anti-establishment movement will go away. Based on my following events in UK since Brexit, USA since Trump 1.0 and Europe (France, German, Dutch right wing) this anti-establishment movement is slow burn until the opportune moment arises (that's now in Australia) then the battle is more public and the hearts and minds of the aggrieved can be won backed by the gazillionairess and other fascists.
What should not be overlooked is that One Nation is now also a tool of the Zionists and they will be fuelling money in to push its prominence and perhaps to ensure that outcomes show it doing better than it really is.
The Zionist plan is always division and that is why exaggerating and utilising prejudice in the One Nation system meets their ends.
The Ziojewraelis have the Liberals, quite a few of the Nationals and some of Labor but their weapon to divide Australia politically and socially is One Nation.
Can we stop with spewing out the Murdoch media BS. The latest poll was less than 1600 people responding. 33% (approximately 550 people) supported ON and the other % was undecided. With a population of 27 million people, 18+ million registered to vote - we need to be more factual about this narrative the billionaire media slime are trying to spin… are they gaining momentum, sure SLOWLY and not in the “surge” of thousands of people.
It is literally just another media propaganda machine trying to make ON cool. They never will be in government.
HANSON = TRUMP
It's clear that Hanson and One Nation are incapable of governing responsibly. They don't have the policies or ability.
Why do the media give Hanson such a free ride?
It's time to apply the blow torch to Hanson.
I predict she will explode, just like her hero Trump.
She is just a screeching windbag.
What One Nation is really selling to Australians is
“Support us, and we’ll legitimise your prejudice. We’ll give you an economic-sounding excuse for your bigotry- you won’t have to hold it in anymore 👍🏽.”
In reality, it’s a paper‑thin veneer.
Ten minutes on their website shows there’s virtually no serious economic policy behind the slogans.
But nobody is bothered about the website, not when you’re too broke to go to Bali this year and there are “uppity / dangerous / greedy foreigners” everywhere the details don’t matter. Anger & resentment rules and Hanson is offering to turn that anger into power
This is the Australian trump moment we are on a boringly obvious trajectory